Speaking of Cults

A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
Episodes
Episodes



Nov 7, 2026
Nov 7, 2026
1 hr 44 min
Today I welcome Garry Norman, a former Landmark insider who worked on media/content management and gleaned some very interesting and useful insights into the Landmark program from this. I very much enjoyed my talk with him and I hope you do too.
Garry Norman's website: https://GarryNorman.com
Nov 7, 2026
1 hr 44 min



Oct 31, 2026
Oct 31, 2026
57 min
Today I welcome Mari Howes, new author of The Tribes which publishes on November 3rd. This fiction work is about an escaped cult member trying to come to terms with her family estrangement, her cult beliefs and the very real threat posed by the cult coming against her now. As a professional lawyer, Mari has a unique perspective on this topic which I asked her quite a bit about. I hope you enjoy our conversation as much as I did.
Mari Howes website: https://marihowes.com
Oct 31, 2026
57 min



Oct 24, 2026
Oct 24, 2026
2 hr 32 min
Today I welcome back Jon Atack to continue our series of podcasts to debunk the "basics" of Scientology, one bit at a time. But this time we ended up going way off topic and into a wide-ranging discussion about life, the universe and everything. There's a lot of opinions and admitted half-baked ideas being discussed and I welcome any feedback or additional ideas about what we discuss here, as none of this is about us being right and everyone else being wrong. At the same time, I hope what we discuss is thought provoking and perhaps challenging to some current ideas out there. Enjoy!
Oct 24, 2026
2 hr 32 min



Oct 17, 2026
Oct 17, 2026
1 hr 45 min
This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenagle and Shannon Grover from the Glassbox Podcast to discuss the Satanic Panic of the 1980s. We discuss how its beginnings were heavily influenced by Mormons who went way out of their way to tell the most bald-faced lies imaginable, all in an effort to create and continue mass hysteria at the national level. The destructive effects of this continue to this day and in our current Presidential administration, in fact.
Glassbox podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com/
Oct 17, 2026
1 hr 45 min



Oct 10, 2026
Oct 10, 2026
1 hr 42 min
This week I welcome survivor Stella McCormick, who has a horrifying story to tell about her upbringing in a large religious family run by absolute monsters for parents who locked up her sister in a closet for seven years among a laundry list of abusive behaviors, not just towards their biological children but fostered children as well. This is a grim story and I don't usually include trigger warnings but this one is rough so be prepared. Stella is on TikTok exposing this abuse now and working to bring justice for her siblings. Find her there at stella_mccormick.
Oct 10, 2026
1 hr 42 min



Oct 6, 2026
Oct 6, 2026
1 hr 13 min
We have a bonus podcast episode this week with the release of Tom Cruise's new movie Digger and our take on the Scientology ideas and themes we see in it. To help us in our analysis, we invited professional movie critical Luke Y. Thompson on board and he provides some fun insights to what we hope is an entertaining episode. Enjoy!
Luke Y. Thompson
https://MortalCinema.com
@lytrules on Bluesky, Instagram, X, Substack @lytrulz on Facebook
Oct 6, 2026
1 hr 13 min



Oct 3, 2026
Oct 3, 2026
1 hr 5 min
This week I welcome author Sara Carson to discuss her recently published fiction story Dark Messiah, a tale based on the real-life tragedy of the Jonestown massacre at the order of cult leader Jim Jones. Sara and I have a far ranging discussion about the power of fiction, cult dynamics and Jonestown itself. Her book is now out for you to buy as well.
Sara's website: https://sarazcarsonauthor.com
Dark Messiah on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GVZMLYCR
Oct 3, 2026
1 hr 5 min



Sep 26, 2026
Sep 26, 2026
53 min
This week I welcome film maker and cult survivor Grace Sims to discuss a recent project of hers and some of her experiences growing up in a high control group. Enjoy!
Grace's website: https://gracesims.com
Sep 26, 2026
53 min

Your Host
Hello, my name is Chris Shelton and I am an author, consultant, podcaster, videographer, and former cult member. Welcome to my podcast!
Who is Chris Shelton?
Chris started a YouTube channel which has over 45,000 subscribers, produces the Sensibly Speaking podcast each week and has produced hundreds of videos laying out the scam of Scientology, educating on critical thinking and interviewing former members of Scientology and other destructive cults, as well as a range of therapists, cult exit counselors, educators and media personalities. Chris has also given talks and presentations around the United States about his experiences and has been featured on numerous podcasts and television shows. He was featured on Leah Remini’s Scientology and the Aftermath on A&E and served as a consultant to the show for its first two seasons. He has also written a critical analysis of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard called Scientology: A to Xenu – An Insider’s Guide to What Scientology is Really All About, available on Amazon in printed form, e-book format and as an audio book.







