Speaking of Cults

A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
Episodes
Episodes



Jul 11, 2026
Jul 11, 2026
1hr 29 min
This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenangel and Shannon Grover to help me understand first the financial rapaciousness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, an organization that clearly values money over morality or good works. In explaining why this is, Bryce and Shannon break down the violent origin story of the Mormon "faith" and how Joseph Smith went from one calamity to another as he conned people over and over again, committed criminal acts against children and had more than a few "enemies" outright killed. This is not a history anything like the sanitized, whitewashed nonsense the LDS Church publishes and it needs to be heard by a lot more people.



Jul 4, 2026
Jul 4, 2026
1hr 51 min
This week I welcome Lindsey Hartzel, who is sharing her experience growing up in a family connected heavily with Landmark Worldwide (formerly Landmark Education) and the large group awareness training format of human transformation. This was not a positive or helpful experience for her as a child and young adult and we cover exactly why from her perspective. Landmark comes from Est, which was taken directly from Scientology so there's a lot of compare and contrast in this episode too. Enjoy!



Jun 27, 2026
Jun 27, 2026
1hr 53 min
Today I welcome back Jon Atack to continue our series of podcasts to debunk the "basics" of Scientology, one bit at a time. This week we are taking on self-determinism, pan-determinism and "games" theory in Scientology. This is a wide-ranging and hopefully interesting discussion where we pull no punches on how we see Scientology. Enjoy!



Jun 20, 2026
Jun 20, 2026
1hr 40 min
This week I welcome former Scientologist and Sea Org member Mat Pesch, someone who joined up in the 1970s, was early friends with Marty Rathbun and had decades of experience in Scientology at its highest levels. This is the first of a series of interviews with Mat to discuss not only his own time in Scientology but also the flavor of the subject and the times in which it has existed. In this episode, we cover Miscavige's early days and how he rose to power, who Marty Rathbun was and how he got involved and what things were like in the much wilder times. Enjoy!



Jun 13, 2026
Jun 13, 2026
1hr 48 min
This week I welcome back former Scientologist Natalia Hirsch, originally from Ecuador but who had a wide-ranging life and Scientology experience she is sharing with us. In today's final episode, we cover her experience in WISE and at the Delphi School in Oregon, both Scientology front group operations which are just satellites of Scientology churches. Natalie's story has been fun to feature and I hope you enjoy this one.
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Jun 6, 2026
Jun 6, 2026
1hr 16 min
This week I welcome back former Scientologist Natalia Hirsch, originally from Ecuador but who had a wide-ranging life and Scientology experience she is sharing with us. In today's show we cover what life and belief is like for Scientologists who are broke or in the lower bands of the socioeconomic ladder. This level of cult membership is a whole different thing from what the rich Scientologists experience.



May 30, 2026
May 30, 2026
1hr 11 min
This week I welcome Ru Marshall, author of the new book American Trickster which is on sale now, about the infamous 1970s cult guru Carlos Castaneda, a man who is still fooling professional academics at major universities with his schtick about Native American spiritualism. This was a sexual predator who gained an outsized amount of influence despite not ever really showing up in public. Ru Marshall breaks it all down for us. Enjoy!
Ru Marshall's website: rmarshallstudio.com
American Trickster book: https://orbooks.com/catalog/american-trickster/



May 23, 2026
May 23, 2026
1hr 34 min
This week I welcome Carol Merchasin, the Board President of the International Cultic Studies Association and also known as the "Cult Assassin" for her legal work against cultic enterprises in successfully suing them for ex-members. We have a frank discussion about the difficulties of taking on cults legally but why it is so important and necessary to do so. Enjoy!
ICSA: https://internationalculticstudies.org/
Carol's email: Carol (at) Merchasinlaw.com

Your Host
Hello, my name is Chris Shelton and I am an author, consultant, podcaster, videographer, and former cult member. Welcome to my podcast!
Who is Chris Shelton?
Chris started a YouTube channel which has over 45,000 subscribers, produces the Sensibly Speaking podcast each week and has produced hundreds of videos laying out the scam of Scientology, educating on critical thinking and interviewing former members of Scientology and other destructive cults, as well as a range of therapists, cult exit counselors, educators and media personalities. Chris has also given talks and presentations around the United States about his experiences and has been featured on numerous podcasts and television shows. He was featured on Leah Remini’s Scientology and the Aftermath on A&E and served as a consultant to the show for its first two seasons. He has also written a critical analysis of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard called Scientology: A to Xenu – An Insider’s Guide to What Scientology is Really All About, available on Amazon in printed form, e-book format and as an audio book.







