Speaking of Cults

A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
Episodes
Episodes



Saturday Dec 07, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Can Fiction Work Help Expose Cults? with Sadie Hoagland
Saturday Dec 07, 2024
Saturday Dec 07, 2024
We are back from our November hiatus with an interview about cult fiction by author Sadie Hoagland. This is particularly important to the ex-cult space because there are tools of exposure available to fiction authors that can help inform and raise awareness about cult phenomena that non-fiction work can miss or ignore. Enjoy!
Sadie's website: https://sadiehoagland.com



Saturday Nov 02, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Scientology's Repeating Pattern of Abuse ft. Julie McKernan
Saturday Nov 02, 2024
Saturday Nov 02, 2024
This week's show is an interview with 2nd gen, former Scientologist Julie McKernan, a woman who has a long and fascinating tale to discuss about her growing up in Scientology, what it meant to her and what happened to her including a shockingly horrible incident that occurred to her as a minor which the Church of Scientology enabled and covered up. Unfortunately, this is a pattern this cult continues to engage in up to now. We cover a lot of territory in this show.
Julie can be reached at RightOn5656 (at) gmail.com.



Saturday Oct 19, 2024
Speaking of Cults...A Reformed Sociopath's Origin Story with Shawn McCraney
Saturday Oct 19, 2024
Saturday Oct 19, 2024
This week I welcome Shawn McCraney, artist, pastor and someone with a story to tell of an abusive upbringing, a violent past and a reformed mental state due to the influence of religion and learned empathy. We talk about a wide range of issues and go deep on some religious issues as well. Enjoy!
Shawn's website: https://ShawnMcCraney.com



Saturday Oct 12, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Not So Shiny or Happy People with Dr. Clint Heacock
Saturday Oct 12, 2024
Saturday Oct 12, 2024
This week I welcome author and former Evangelical pastor Dr. Clint Heacock to share his new work, Not So Shiny Not So Happy People about his upbringing and early adult life in the Evangelical world where physical and spiritual abuse were not only part of the picture but were mandated activities. Clint answers a lot of my questions about this and his escape from it and how we can discuss it now. Enjoy!



Saturday Oct 05, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Growing Up a Child of Scientology with Pamela Nickel Williams
Saturday Oct 05, 2024
Saturday Oct 05, 2024
This week I welcome author and former Scientologist Pamela Nickel Williams to discuss her upcoming memoir, Clearly Lies are True about her life growing up in and around Scientology and the Sea Org. It's a harrowing tale and we go into a lot of detail about the beginning days of the Sea Org here. Enjoy!
Pamela's website: https://clearlyliesaretrue.com



Saturday Sep 28, 2024
Speaking of Cults...What Does it Take to DeCult? (with Anke Richter)
Saturday Sep 28, 2024
Saturday Sep 28, 2024
This week I welcome Anke Richter, journalist, author and organizer of the DeCult Conference in New Zealand on Oct 20, 2024. Anke and I have a very informative and interesting conversation this week about cults around the world, her own experience in a sex cult and what she has been doing to educate about and get regulations enacted for cults. Enjoy!
Anke's website: https://AnkeRichter.netDeCult conference: https://decult.net



Saturday Sep 21, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Where Neuroscience and Cults Meet ft. Ann Betz, PCC
Saturday Sep 21, 2024
Saturday Sep 21, 2024
This week I welcome Ann Betz, author and coach, who has not only had her own experience with a cult-like Large Group Awareness Training but has also done graduate work in neuroscience and has a lot to say in helping explain why we can all be susceptible to coercive control. Enjoy!
Ann's website: https://BEaboveLeadership.com



Saturday Sep 14, 2024
Speaking of Cults...Is Traditional Catholicism a Cult? ft. Anthony Spurgin
Saturday Sep 14, 2024
Saturday Sep 14, 2024
This week I welcome back Anthony Spurgin, a man who previously shared his story of growing up as a Traditional Catholic, to discuss the movement in more detail, how its loosely structured and whether this is actually a cult or not. Enjoy!
Anthony's YouTube channel: @TheDragonsofVictory

Your Host
Hello, my name is Chris Shelton and I am an author, consultant, podcaster, videographer, and former cult member. Welcome to my podcast!
Who is Chris Shelton?
Chris started a YouTube channel which has over 45,000 subscribers, produces the Sensibly Speaking podcast each week and has produced hundreds of videos laying out the scam of Scientology, educating on critical thinking and interviewing former members of Scientology and other destructive cults, as well as a range of therapists, cult exit counselors, educators and media personalities. Chris has also given talks and presentations around the United States about his experiences and has been featured on numerous podcasts and television shows. He was featured on Leah Remini’s Scientology and the Aftermath on A&E and served as a consultant to the show for its first two seasons. He has also written a critical analysis of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard called Scientology: A to Xenu – An Insider’s Guide to What Scientology is Really All About, available on Amazon in printed form, e-book format and as an audio book.